
The Decemberists' "The Hazards of Love": An Interpretation
Adam Scheinberg, March 30, 2009 (16 years ago)
The new Decemberists album was loosed last Tuesday, March 24, and has been met with enthusiasm almost universally. I purchase only a few discs a year these days, preferring to spend the majority of my music dollars online. This disc, I knew in advance, would be one of my purchases.
Upon purchase, I quickly came to understand that "The Hazards of Love" is a concept album in the truest sense: the songs are a single, uninterrupted blob - continuous sound from the haunting opening notes of "Prelude" to the final waves of "The Hazards of Love, Part 4." The challenge, as with any Decemberists offering, is to decipher the meaning of the often Victorian-style lyrics, and with "The Hazards of Love," it's proven to be a challenge. However, within, find my interpretation of the Hazards of Love story.
Before I get into it, let me address a few complaints I have with this album:
- The CD liner smells like a camel pen
- The font in the liner booklet is far too small, doubling the challenge
- That's it
I have no other complaints about this disc at all. In fact, I've read only two complaints online, the first being that the talented Jenny Conlee is underused. To those who have noted that, I urge you to relisten. Her harpsichord, the Hammond, and her accordion can be heard throughout the album, and while she certainly takes a backseat on some songs, she provides depth to many of the themes that might otherwise deliver much less forcefully their message.
To those who felt this album is too "heavy metal" and too far a departure from previous Decemberists material, I ask you to relisten paying greater attention to the story. There is no unnecessary "metal" here. There is only emotion to properly align to the lyrics. The queen is accompanied by loud electric guitar.
So, let's get on with it, shall we? Please read on, I'll include my entire dissection of "The Hazards of Love."

The Hazards of Love 1 (The Prettiest Whistles Won't Wrestle the Thistles Undone)

This song sets up the entire story. We learn right away that a young lady - who we will later love as our heroine Margaret - goes horseriding out past the fields, far from home. She crosses into the forest, as she often does, and comes upon a young deer at the edge of the forest, injured and limping, but despite the rapidly approaching dusk ("white and green and gray"), being a woman, the fairer, caring gender, she dismounts and tries to help the fawn. Before she can assist, she feels a sharp shake of the ground, and the fawn shifts shape into a man. She glances upon the man and falls immediately in love with him, and he with her.
They have sex, right there, in the forest, upon the forest floor, flowers and leaf beds (the "thistles") providing the only padding.
Later, back in the grounds of the village, the ladies relax and chit-chat, worry-free and without care, except one: our Margaret, who is otherwise distracted and thinking of her William and their marvelous encounters in the forest.
A Bower Scene
Margaret's sister, or perhaps just another maiden (Edit: or a nun), approaches and says to our heroine, "Don't cry, Margaret! I know you're pregnant, when are you going to give birth? And, by the way, which of the jerks around town is your baby daddy?" (I had some trouble with the line "when wilt thou trouble the water in the cistern", but I've decided that troubling the water must mean draining it or reducing the level, which would mean an event that would require lots of cleaning, in short: the birth.) (Update 2010-04-12: By far, the most popular debate in the comments is the relevance of the line "trouble the water in the cistern." It could mean the birth, it might reference Margaret's next cycle, or it may even suggest a baptism. Truth be told, it's irrelevant. All basically hint at the same thing: her peers suspect she's pregnant. The specifics of the line are generally unimportant to the storyline.) As Margaret's baby bump begins to show, rather than stay with the maidens and be exposed, she packs her things and heads back to the forest to find her William.
Won't Want For Love
Our Margaret makes her way back to the forest in search of William, begging the forest as she goes to create a path to lead her to William and to alert him that she seeks him. As she grows tired, she makes a bed in the forest, just as she and William shared a leafy bed in moons past.
Meanwhile, not so far away, William calls to Margaret, he pains to be with her.
The Hazards of Love 2 (Wager All)
William finds Margaret and they declare their love for one another. William tenderly confesses that he feels more for her than just a need for sex, rather, he loves her. He lays her down in soft clovers and makes love to her beneath the sky. In post-coital bliss, he tells he that he wishes that they could lay together all night, naked, until the morning birds sing. We'll later learn that he explains his predicament: his mother, the Queen of the Forest, she who rescued him from a clay cradle in the rough rivers, has cast a spell upon him. He will live the remainder of his days as a fawn by day, a man only by night. But he will risk everything for Margaret, he will face his mother, in due time...
The Queen's Approach
Unbeknownst to our lovers, William's adoptive mother, the Queen, approaches. Our lovers, in great haste, part ways once again. Update: I've been rethinking this. It makes more sense that the Queen catches William and Margaret, and as a result, she forbids William from going out at night. That's why they've spent nights together, but he must beg his mother to let him out in "The Wanting Comes in Waves/Repaid".
Isn't It a Lovely Night?
I like to believe that our lovers sing this song while together, but it makes more sense to me that as Margaret soliloquizes from her perch in the forest, William sings from afar. Margaret remains, perhaps, in the bed of flowers and clovers referenced earlier that she and William had shared. She cherishes her baby-to-be, the child of William. William, retreating to his forest dwelling, smiles giddily remembering how the breeze bent the leaves which tickled him as he made love to Margaret in the brush. Each agrees that in many ways, parting again is like dying a little death. Update: As pointed out in the comments below, "little death" is middle English slang for orgasm. Make of that what you will.
The Wanting Comes in Waves/Repaid

Now the story gets interesting. The Queen -- William's adoptive mother -- finds William, and although she hasn't caught him in the act,, she knows that he's been out sleeping with a woman. In anger, he tells her that he heard her coming, her approach was betrayed by the weight of her footsteps, much like black smoke covering a coffin precedes a funeral. He tells her that he wants this night to do as he pleases, for the need to be with her is strong, and although he can suppress it from time to time, sometimes, he cannot (hence, the wanting comes in waves).
She responds: "Hold on, I saved you from the river. I cradled you. I raised you. I protected you. You belong to me. And now you want the night, the only time you're a man, to spend with other women? This is how you repay me for the years I spent as your mother?"
He bargains with her; he makes a foolish, pennywise offer: let me free for this one night, and I will return by dawn, and I will be yours forever. Of course, we already know, he's planning to run with Margaret. After all, he'd "wager all."
Th mother thinks this over and carefully responds: "Ok, you can have tonight - total freedom. But here's the catch, as you promised, come morning, you belong to me for all future nights. You just cashed in your one favor, m'boy, from here on out, we're sqaure."
An Interlude
Relax and enjoy friends, we've now the backstory, here's where the adventure begins.
The Rake's Song
Enter: The Rake. The Rake is a vile man, married young. The first 9 or so months of marriage was great, as he got lots of sex from his wife. Of course, there was one unintended consequenece: she started having babies. However, when delivering her fourth child, she and the baby died, leaving the rake with three kids and no chance to have the amount of sex he was craving. So he sets about to change his life: he poisons Charlotte by feeding her bad flowers. He drowns poor Dawn in the bathtub. And while his son Isiah struggles admirably, nonetheless, he kills him, and in response to the fighting, he burns the body. Though we might think he'd be bothered by all of this, he assures us, it's never really bothered him.
The Abduction of Margaret
The rake hides in the bushes, the very same bushes in which William and Margaret enjoyed their first enounter together. As Margaret passes, the rake grabs her, binds her hands, throws her over his shoulder then across his horse, galloping away. Then he comes to Annan Water, the uncrossable wild river, the very river from which the Queen once rescued baby William!
The Queen's Rebuke/The Crossing
Here we learn the backstory to which I referred above: the Queen, she of the very fabric of the forest, found William in a clay cradle. She took the poor baby and gave him the form of a fawn by day.
"So," she says to the Rake, "since you have kidnapped Margaret, the only thing that has ever tempted my poor boy to defy me, I will fly you over the uncrossable Annan Water, so that William will be unable to chase you. In exchange, you may keep young Margaret, to do with as you will, including raping and killing her, if you so desire."
Annan Water
Meanwhile, William discovers that Margaret is nowhere to found, and upon tracking her trail, soon learns that she has been abducted. He begins his quest to rescue her, but soon finds himself at the bank of Annan Water, the uncrossable river. The river is far too wild and untamed to be crossed without a suitable boat of some sort, a device which he neither has nor has time to make. His horse would never make it across, and his mother has warned him many times that attempting to cross on horse would certainly end in his death.
But William is close, and can hear poor Margaret's screams. He is due to return to his mother for eternity and Margaret is captured by the Rake. Desperate, he beckons the river: "Please, river, let me cross. As I cannot grow wings and fly across, calm your waters and let me save my love. If you do this, I will return, and if you desire, you can have my body then. I will willingly submit myself to you. Just let me pass to rescue my Margaret!"
Margaret In Captivity
The Rake, in one of the particularly creepy moments of the tale, paces about the bound Margaret in a small, abandoned forest castle, leans in, and tells her pointedly, "My swan, do not struggle, as you will only cause yourself rope burns or break your precious wrists and fingers. "
But she calls for William.
"Don't bother getting your hopes up," the Rake continues, "no one will hear you, and no one will find you. At least not before I've raped and killed you."
But she calls for William!
The Hazards of Love 3 (Revenge!)
The song begins with theme from "The Wanting Comes in Waves," which we know, by now, is William's theme. William comes for his Margaret! But is he in time?
But wait! What is that sound? It's the ghost of Charlotte, come to warn her father that his children have returned, she rises. Enter Dawn, chastising papa for keeping the water running, but fear not - she breathes again. And Isiah, the struggling son, has returned as well. In fact, the Rake is driven mad by the return of his vengeful children.
The children have saved Margaret temporarily, but for long enough?
The Wanting Comes in Waves (Reprise)
The lack of lyrics here leave much of the story up to us, so here is how I see it: as the Rake is struggling with the ghosts of his late children, William triumphantly bursts into the fortress, killing the Rake, and saving his Margaret! He pulls loose her binds and they leave the body of the Rake behind to be forgotten.
The Hazards of Love 4 (The Drowned)
No Decemberists adventure is complete without a tragic ending. This one bothers me more than most. I wish it didn't end this way, but I think it's clear what happens.
William and Margaret are now stuck on the far side of Annan Water. They attempt to cross, but the waters, obeying William's one-time wish, attempt to claim his body, as he promised. He cannot escape Annan Water like he did his mother. So, as he and Margaret struggle to stay above water, William asks Margaret to marry him, with only the waves to witness their matrimony.
William's debt to the water exists, of course, only because he decided to rescue Margaret and Margaret knows this. What is left for our star-crossed lovers? William can only be a man during the night, which is already promised to his mother, who will stop at nothing to prevent Margaret and William from being together. Margaret cannot return home with child. William cannot stay in the forest, as he has crossed his mother, and she has sent the Rake after Margaret. It looks like there will be no happy ending for our hero and heroine.
In their last moments, they swear eternal loyalty to one another and share a final and touching kiss as the air rushes from their lungs and, then, gently and willingly, they submit to the rough waters of Annan. And with that, our poor lovers break the surface and rest, entwined, at peace, undisturbed, in Annan Water, for eternity.
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What we don't know is whether or not the child has survived. It would be nice to think that Margaret has actually delivered the baby and that the poor child survives. It's funny to think that somehow, William himself was abandoned in the forest. However, it seems unlikely that Margaret would have been wandering for the Rake to seize her without her baby. I fear the child has gone to the eternal rest with his parents.
Either way, it's sad to think that William and Margaret were unable to escape and live happily ever after. I've listened to the album several times through, and I fear I cannot find any way to bend the story such that they don't die. Unfortunately, this is one section of the lyrics that is relatively straightforward.

A note on geography: the first Hazards of Love makes reference to Offa's Wall. Offa's Dyke is, according to Wikipedia, "is a massive linear earthwork, roughly following some of the current border between England and Wales." That, it would seem, puts us in the British isles. The Rake's fourth child was named "Myfanwy," which is an Welsh name, which seems to set us firmly in Welch territory. The only hesitation I have on this is that the taiga, referenced a few times, doesn't extend to Wales.

There is a town called Annan Water in Scotland, not far from Glasgow, which I found by simply Googling Annan Water. It doesn't appear there is taiga in Scotland, although there are apparently "taiga bean geese" which are nearly extinction. Given that Annan Water is in Scotland, but Offa's Dyke in Wales, I think it's safe to give Meloy and crew some poetic license and simply conclude that it's either Wales, England, or Scotland. I'm even willing to grant that the "taiga" we're referring to is only cold forest, but that, for literary amusement, we're calling it taiga. I may be wrong here, but I don't think it's necessary to plot the location with GPS precision.
The incredible story of this album is puntuated by the recurring themes of the music and the associated voices. I am absolutely haunted by Queen, voiced by the incredibly vocally gifted Shara Worden of My Brightest Diamond. Her last note of "Repaid" is one of the most amazing moments of the story. She conveys the Queen's seriousness in one dramatic note.
The tragic story of The Hazards of Love is one that is best understood upon multiple listenings. Take the time to pass over it more than once before passing judgement, as a complete package, it's absolutely enchanting.
always
michele
I agree about Shara Worden.
Thanks for writing this up, it's nice to have the entire story sorted out in a logical fashion. I just wanted to help you with one thing: Le Petit Mort is a common french phrase that translates literally as "The little death". Le Petit Mort is used to refer to the post-orgasm feeling after sex.
Oh and this might just be me, but the line "A forest's son, a river's daughter" led me to believe that Annan Water might be Margret's parent and therefore troubling the water in the cistern may be meant as her telling her mom/dad about the pregnancy. Just a thought.
Anyway, I figured it's the least I could do since you either have the vocabulary to match wits with Colin, or you took the time to look up all those big words :) Thanks again!
Josh
At first i entertained the idea that there was no magic, that "fawn" was only a literary device for innocence, and the queen was only an overprotective mother, but your right its a little more strait forward than that..... or less strait forward.... in any case magic makes everything better:)
Its funny my brother got so caught up in the music of things that he freaked when i showed him that the rakes song is about killing babies, ill play the guitar lick late at night just to creep him out
Oh ya and holy mother can the chick who sings as the queen sing, im not always about
female rock vocalists..... but shes awesome.
However, I took the "trouble the water in the cistern" line to be referencing the basin of holy water in a church. One of the nuns is asking Margaret "Look, I know you're pregnant... when are you going to go to church and repent for your sin?"
Then, Margaret, realizing that she will be judged by the other nuns in her convent for her "sin," retreats to the forest to be with William.
The main part comes in The Hazards of Love 3 and one line from The Queen's Rebuke.
My friend argues that William is actually Issac, The Rake's son.
During the Queen's Rebuke, she says he found William in "A cradle of clay". Remember, the Rake burned Issac's body due to Issac fighting back. This cradle of clay is Issac's urn.
Then comes The Hazards of Love 3. William shows up to save Margret, and the Rake sees him, recognizes his child who has returned, and goes mad. This also accounts for The Rake's daughter saying how his children have come for revenge. Specifically, the one who fought back.
Anyway, i find it a really cool interpretation. Hazards is a great album (though i think i like Castaways a bit better)!
Seeing The Decemberists in May. Cannot wait.
n. Scots
A small stream; a brook.
[Middle English, from Old English burna; see bhreu- in Indo-European roots.]
^ According to dictionary.com . So perhaps, the body wasn't 'burned' by fire, but 'burned' as in, thrown into the water. It also makes sense with it being a Scottish word and the area the story takes place in being Scotland. So, William is Isaiah in my head... Or maybe it's 1 o' clock and I haven't quite slept in days and wanted to make a connection that wasn't really there.
However it is nice to have at least one happy conclusion to be left with, considering the heart-wrenching ending.
Annan is actually a river in Scotland (not just a town). It would be difficult to place the story anywhere else, due to this fact.
Margaret refers to a Mistle Thrush in "Won't Want for Love." The Mistle Thrush is a very common forest/farm songbird, found primarily in Northern Europe -- certainly in Scotland.
The term "taiga" refers to any predominently coniferous forest in a sub-temperate climate. Even Minnesota contains taiga, technically speaking. Scotland, being a smidgen farther north than Minnesota, could call many of its pine forests "taigas." It's true that "Taiga" generally refers to "The Taiga," found just south of the northern tundras, but this is not always the case. Literally speaking, most biome maps place Scotland barely within the Temperate biome (but if you look at such a map, it's unclear as to why!).
So, Scotland it is, if you ask me. Thanks for the rundown, by the way! :)
Scotland is a perfect location for the couple's final dilemma. If the hero crosses the river from East to West to save Margaret, then the pair could be trapped against the coast in some areas of SW Scotland. The river would certainly be its wildest as it nears the ocean, so this makes sense. This would force the pair to cross back over the river, especially if they were being chased (by the forest and its queen, as I imagine it occurring during the Wanting Comes in Waves - Reprise).
As the pair narrowly escapes the forest's onslaught from the west, they are finally pinned against the West bank of River Annan, leading us into The Hazards of Love IV.
when will you trouble the water in the cistern
I interpret this to mean the sister is saying that since Margaret is single, pregnant, and distraught, her only honorable recourse is to kill herself. She's asking "when will you throw yourself down the well and drown yourself?" Of course, Margaret eventually does drown herself but not because she's forlorn about being pregnant, so this line is also foreshadowing her death.
"Tell me now, tell me this: A forest's son, a river's daughter?"
Seems to be William inquiring as to the sex of the child.
margaret; the symbol for feminine goodness, and trials she must go through for maturity and completion...nutururing, helpful, seeing the potential, healing, needing to break with the protected life around her (arthur's castle), and the distractions of life ( 14 occupations), but knowing that even the best intentions cannot CAUSE a thing to change (the prettiest whistle cannot undo) ....william; the masculine, must learn to be a man at all times, not just in the night (subconscious), and overcome his animal instints (day). this involves him learning to let go of dependency of mother, who does rescue and nuture him in infancy, but this no longer works when he is ready for mature, partner/love. he is strong, willing male symbol, going through phases of growth. rake; symbol of male sabotage and all weakness: killing children born of love because he only can see sex (william makes distinction between sex and love), and control, can only love out of greed and need for own satisfaction. queen; symbol of over-dominate female power, needed in childhood, but inappropriate on maturity, alines herself with over-dominate male as each tries to control and hold down the emancipation and growth of healthy self. in the end, MY interpretation is the river is the collective unconscious, the healthy 'death' of immature self, where they both can be together in a real love (i caught you here, i brought you here, the hazards will not bother us)
also, queen and rake see river as threat...even though that is where the queen found her son! margaret and william find it to be salvation...
"Thou unconsolable daughter said the sister
When will you trouble the water in the cistern
And what irascible blackguard is the father"
We know they are in a bower, and that Margaret is visibly upset (unconsolable). A bower is either a bedroom or a sort of shady arbor. In either case, to me it provides the image of Margaret having separated herself from everyone, unconsolably ruminating on her plight. A nun is there (perhaps she happened by if it is in an arbor, or was summoned there by Margaret's family if the scene takes place in a bedroom). "When will you trouble the water in the cistern?" to me is the nun asking her when the child is due. It's a baptism reference. This makes the most sense because the follow-up/related question is regarding who the father is. So the nun says "When is the child due and who is the father?" As the pregnancy continues and Margaret becomes more visibly pregnant, and she knows such questions will only continue and her shame of being an unwed mother expose her to public ridicule. So off she goes to the forest.
But, like others have said, thanks so much for this. I found myself getting confused because since Meloy sings all the male parts, I wasn't sure when it was William and when it was the Rake and so forth. Since the Rake says he's just the narrator, I thought he never actually came into the story, and he's only included for a little dramatizing. I thought that William had actually turned evil somehow and abducted Margaret (which is silly now that I read you post).
So anyway -- thanks again.
If we go with the Old English meaning, they are gentle, meek, soft, mild. They way ladies should appear in an OE tale. They are in a bower, another OE term for a bedroom in a castle. Thus we can probably assume the "Fourteen occupations paid" is sewing, knitting, embroidery, things that women did to pass time "idle". Because we all know that all women just love to sit on their butt and do nothing. *sarcasm* But Margaret won't have any of this "you're a woman, you're only allowed to do these certain things.
And we were left to catch our breaths so switftly lifting from our chests" is in past tense. Perhaps they are reminiscing about how their baby came to be?
The second question you seem to have about setting involves the "Annan Water." I take the reference to be the River Annan in southwestern Scotland. The location would be right if The Rake is fleeing north from England to a stronghold in Scotland. The name "Annan" itself possibly comes from the Celtic word for water or, more likely, from the Gaelic "ann" or "ann an" meaning "in" or "into" (see MacBain's Etymological Dictionary of the Gaelic Language) which would also be suggestive of the manner in which our couple meet their tragic end.
My interpretation has Margaret leaving her home in Wales, traveling east into northern England where she meets William and then abducted north into Scotland by The Rake.
On the location of the events - the story has a very strong resemblance to the tale of Tam Lin - a heroine called Margaret who meets a man in the forest, a man cursed by the Faerie Queen, she falls in love with him, she becomes pregnant and flees her family to join him in the forest, and together they attempt to escape the Queen's curse. Tam Lin comes out happily and the lovers defeat the Queen, but the story up to that point is very similar.
Tam Lin originates from the Scottish Borders, in the same area as the River Annan.
Tam Lin has been recorded by many artists, notably both Fairport Convention and Steeleye Span, whose musical influences seem to me to be all over this album, and by Anne Briggs - who also recorded an album called The Hazards of Love, from which the Decemberists got the title of this album..
This is not such a far fetched fantasy, a familiar motif in popular culture, eg, 2001: A Space Oddesy. The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway and The Wall before start where they end, and vicey versey.
Right further listening leads me to this...
I still think it's cyclical, but that Margaret is pregnant, with twins! A boy and a girl. The baby boy, left in a cradle of clay, by the River, is the young William (or the next William), rescued by the Forest / Queen. The baby girl is Margaret (or the next Margaret). In The Bower Scene the 'sister' call Margaret "daughter", indicating she's an orphan. In the same song the results of her "amourous" [encounter] "entwine" within her. It takes two to entwine (see also My Sisters Tiny Hands, by the Handsome Family). William knows this by the end of the cycle, "A Forest's Son, A River's Daughter", which is also why he submits so readily to death, the guilt of the incest. Come on, it's the Decemberists. It wouldn't be an proper album without a little bit of infanticide, incest and drowning!
On the theme of cycles in popular culture, lets also bring in Wagner's Ring, the Matrix and even Groundhog Day too.
I have a different interpretation of the phrase "and the wanting comes is waves" however. I disagree that he FORGETS his longing. I believe that the WAVES are pounding, much like the river. It leaves him breathless, it's unrelenting, like waves crashing on a shore. I know this from experience, in my humble opinion.
Also, "And we will lie like river stones, rolling only where it takes us" is the one of the most beautiful and heartbreaking lines i've heard in a long time. It's brilliant and brings conclusion to a story relatable to us in the 21st century - still dealing with the 'hazards of love' (i believe that this is why this is the most clear and modern song on the disc)
Just lovely.
Also, someone referenced William being the Rake's son, possibly, which is kind of a neat interpretation.
Also, I think the whole "occupations paid" is a referrence to the other young ladies as prostitutes, who are "working", while Margaret, instead, just lies and thinks of her William.
I still think Margaret has twins at the end though and not just the one baby, re A Forests Son, A Rivers Daughter. Both to be regenerated as their parents, and live the whole ghastly saga over for eternity. Where did those miillion bones in Annan Water come from?
Isn't the story better if the phrase refers to an abortion? In that case, instead of people being innocently curious about when Margaret will give birth, they are pressuring her to terminate the pregnancy. It's this pressure that causes her to flee back into the tundra.
So, I don't think it's that clear, Zoe.
I think the baby is born on "Isn't It a lovely night?" and the song is Margaret and William singing a sort of lullaby to the baby: "Isn't it babe? A sweet little baby" and remembering the night that they made love: "And here we died our little deaths/And we were left to catch our breaths" is in the past tense.
I'm having trouble interpreting the last song, especially this set of lyrics:
"And painting rings around your eyes, these peppered holes/So filled with crying/A whisper-weight upon the tattered down/Where you and I were lying"
But the lines before sound like they're making a cradle for the baby, so everything will come full circle.
And thanks for this explanation, it really helped the whole thing make sense. I kept hearing taiga and thought he said tiger. My first thought was Margret was raped by a tiger in the beginning :) How far off I was! Thank You!
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I think some people have a couple of parts backwards:
i.e. river's son, forest's daughter not forest's son, river's daughter and also fawn not faun.
Reading through the correct lyrics after reading the interpretation here might clarify some things for people posting.
Any ideas on if "whisper-weight upon the tattered down where you and I were lying" could mean that the child was born and left when Margaret was captured or if the child was stillborn?
just an idea
Also if margeret is a nun, this interprition makes more sence... Abortion as a general rule is frowned upon by religouse communities, escpecially in Catholisism.
Anyway... I could be wrong. Just throwing that out there.
Thanks for the whole interpritation it cleared up some murky spots on the album. And kudos to the decemberists... you just dont see writing of this caliber anymore and when something like this comes out its a definite refresher.
Oh yeah... sorry for the spelling I'm sure its horrible.
I will definitely listen the whole album again with a whole new perspective. :)
Either he turned into a fawn right before he managed to cross the water and drowned (his last words in that song was about the night, then the song suddenly ends), or she died before he could rescue them, or they both made it out.. but i couldn't figure out if they both lived why they then drowned themselves.
Anyways, thanks!
I have a lot coming, so I will post separate comments by topic. Even if no one is reading anymore, it will be fun for me to interact with the post and comments up to this point.
Seems that this voice should be William's. But W is IDed in the lyric sheet, but here only says FIRST VOICE. Also if it is W, why does he speak of the <i>fawn</i> and the <i>beast</i> in 3rd person. Isn't W the fawn? It makes for an interesting and more tragic story if W is not the fawn, but rather the fawn is this shapeshifting beast that forces himself upon M (the level of consent between M and the beast is unclear). The only indication that W is the fawn is in The Queen's Rebuke: <i>gave him the form of a fawn to inhabit by day</i>. Granted, that is pretty clear evidence that W is the fawn. I had a far-fetched scenario where W was <i>a</i> fawn but not the wounded fawn, which would be another shapeshifting fawn. But it became less and less credible so I won't even go into it.
Assuming W is the fawn, I take the FIRST VOICE to be W but the song shifts to a 3rd person narrator in verse 2. The same thing happens with the SECOND VOICE in the Bower Scene; verse 2 is no longer the sister speaking.
I don't think it's unclear; most women who are raped don't then run off to find their rapist when they start showing from the resulting pregnancy, nor do they call their rapist "my own true love". :)
The preceding line <i>You'll learn soon enough</i> indicates that the whistles/thistles concept will be learned by experience in the near future. So it refers to more than the forest bed upon which the beast (W) and M lay.
Here's my stab at the meaning. <i>Prettiest whistles</i> symbolizes the grandeur and beauty of true love. (Tangent: This is a very Westernized, self-centered view of "true love." W and M are infatuated with one another and are blissfully in love. Would their "true love" last over the span of a lifetime when the infatuation fades? Right now they are getting a lot of fulfillment out of their relationship. Would they remain committed through times when the "fire" didn't burn so hot and they didn't feel personally fulfilled? Sorry, had to add that thought, a comment on our me-first divorce culture).
OK, no more moralizing! <i>Thistles</i> are painful when touched; I have many in my yard. So the whistles of true love will not prevent pain and difficulty. In fact, the whistles of love will be the cause of much pain, difficulty, and loss. This is what they <i>learn soon enough</i>. M is abducted successfully because of their love (else the Queen wouldn't help the rake cross the river), and they end up dying because of their love. They seem to think it is worth it.
I'm not sure what to make of <i>undone</i>. It could refer to the Queen's curse of W only being a man at night. Or in general to the bondage W finds himself under. Or (now I like this one best), it could refer in general to the hazards of love. The bliss of love is not enough to remove (undo) the danger and consequences.
Was a baby abandoned Entombed in a cradle of clay And I was a soul who took pity and stole him away And gave him the form of a fawn to inhabit by day". Cradles don't typically 'entomb' a baby, so hence it is the urn Isaiah was placed in by the Rake of being burned. Earlier she sings: "Remember when I found you The miseries that hounded you And I gave you motion Anointed with lotions". I interpret this that he is not just a regular baby in a cradle, but the burnt body of Isaiah that she healed with magic (hence the man by night, fawn by day). The song of the rake's children's return, only Isaiah's verse specifically says he has returned (as William to save Margaret, but recognized by the rake, and possibly even by William). Killing the rake would mean he would join his murdered children in death.
I like the twins idea too.
If that line stood alone, I would see the confusion (is it concerning due date or her period?), but it is followed immediately with the line "and what irascible black bart is the father?"
The other woman is not asking Margaret when her next period will come. The woman ALREADY KNOWS Margaret is pregnant. Otherwise, she would not follow that question by asking who the name of the father of the child in question. It doesn't make sense to say, "When is your next period coming, and also, who is the father of your baby?" She is asking "When are you due to give birth, and what man is the father?" It's pretty simple to me.
1. It's "blackguard", a medieval word for scoundrel.
2. Interpreting the 'cistern' line as an inquiry into Margaret's next period still works if you take it to mean Margaret being asked "How far along are you?" When will your periods reume, in effect. And this still seems like the most likely interpretation. All the others I've seen have some aspect that doesn't quite fit.
William is not Isaiah; when the Queen says she "gave [him] motion", I think he had some sort of deformity that caused his parents to set him adrift on the water, in a cradle that would've been his tomb and was probably made of clay to withstand the "wild waters" of the Annon river. If William was Isaiah, why would he have a different name? And how could Colin possibly resist an intensely dramatic scene where William comes to rescue Margaret and recognizes the Rake? :P
My second comment had more to do with the printing of the lyrics - whoever did this does not understand printing very well. When you reverse out white, you need to consider dot gain from the black ink which fills in the letters. It might have looked fine on someone's screen - but they did not adjust for the gain. There are also some space artifacts (mostly the names) and a few spelling errors.
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it just means she hasnt had her period yet i.e. troubled the waters of the toilet. which means the question being asked is if youve missed your period it means youre pregnant. collin however refers to it a lot more stylistically and euphemistically
It's possible but I don't think so. William's mother is not the Queen. He was adopted by the Queen and given the ability to change shape to keep him from the world of Man by day.
While they technically could be brothers, I don't see anything to suggest that in the lyrics.
What is the evidence that William rescues Margaret? We know the ghosts of the Rake's children interrupt his rape of Margaret, so why does she need to be rescued? Why doesn't she escape and find William drowning? Maybe he pulls her down with him literally as well as figuratively, as she attempts in vain to rescue him, or throws herself in after him when it is clear he has no hope of survival, but not before putting her child safely aside.
This is what is meant by "broad strokes." So many interpretations are valid.
I also suspect an intentional symbolic story overlaid over the narrative. This might be too trippy, but here goes: The Rake and William are symbolically the same husband at different stages of the marraige, and the Queen and Margaret, the same wife. William becomes the Rake over time as his wife's mothering instinct reduces her sex drive, and his sex drive remains undiminished but unsatisfied. The Queen is Margaret, after she becomes obsessed with her mothering of a child. The irony of this is that the child (so touchingly cooed over by Willaim and Margaret in the album's middle) and the river both represent the Hazards of Love, the source and the sensation of the antipathy that develops between man and woman as she becomes more and more a mother and he remains primarily a husband.
It is a cynical view of relationships, but one that has some basis in real-world observations. And the narrative becomes more than a pretty, if tragic story - its an allegory.
Now I'm going to sober up and go to sleep!
But musically wise, I wanted to point out a few things, mostly theory. We're very much aware of how different this style is, and in the heavier parts with the Queen I would even relate it to something Tool has done.
But most prominant is definitely the similarity to PInk Floyd, particularly the Wall album. The style of music is VERY similar, and certain parts I feel are close enough to Pink Floyd to not be accidental.
What first got my attention was at the very end of the Hazards of Love 1, the screaming voice in the faint background sounds very similar to the beginning of Another Brick in the Wall by Floyd. Then the melody of A Bower Scene reminds me very much of Run Like Hell. Finally, the breakup of The Hazards of Love into several parts (And yes, I know the Decemberists have done this before) parallels to The Wall 1, 2, etc on that album. Are the Decemberists trying to parallel with Floyd? Who knows. I could just be rambling.
I did have one objection though. There is certain evidence that a taiga could have existed among the British isles in days long since past, when the local climate was a bit colder. Maybe a possibility that he was speaking literally there.
Thanks again :)
The controversial "Cistern" line, in my opinion, is referring to the lack of menstruation.
The use of Cistern is similar to the metaphor of a "well" as a "vagina" used in the sexual interpretation of "What Mystery Pervades a Well" by Emily Dickinson.
Emily Dickinson was from a Puritan community which resonates with some of the other Puritan literary devices in the album.
So I think that the "troubled cistern" refers to a troubled vagina, trouble being menstruation?
I wonder if anyone would even read this, since it has been a while since the album's release. This is the 1st time that I listened to the Decemberists' whole album. This really helped me understand the story, since English is not my native language and I do not possess as rich of a vocabulary as Colin Meloy. Thank you for the great interpretation.
Annan Water is the subject of an old Scottish ballad, where specifically a man's love, Annie, drowns in the waves. <a href="http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/eng/boeb/boeb09.htm" title="Annan Water" rel="nofollow">You can check it here</a>, but here's a qutoe:
<blockquote>
And wae betide ye, Annan Water!
This night ye are a drumly river;
But over thee we'll build a brig,
That ye nae mair true love may sever.
</blockquote>
The other thing... the title "bower scene" clearly refers to Margaret's bedroom,... or it could also refer to the village of Bàgair (anglicized to Bower), on the northern tip of Scotland. Given the reference to Offa's Wall, I don't see any reason for the forest not to be reference to the entirety of Britain, and the story just to have "epic scale"...
I'm a big fan of British folk music and it seems to me this whole album is influenced heavily by the stories behind many traditional songs. For instance the theme of a mortal and a supernatural lover, a cruel mother, and a river that is crossed with the promise of claiming them on their return. This last one actually crops up quite a lot, (along with the cruel mother) in the song "Drowned Lovers"- which also has a hero and heroine named William and Margaret. The version by the singer Kate Rusby has the lyrics (from the mother to William) :
"Well if you go to fair Margaret's bower
without the leave of me,
In the deepest part of the Clyde water,
then drowned you will be."
When Williams comes to the river:
"Oh, roaring Clyde, you roar so loud,
your steams are wondrous stong,
Make me a wreck as I come back,
but spare me as I'm gone."
Her cruel mother turns him away, so he returns, and tries to cross the river but is taken by it. Margaret then wakes up and, hearing that her William has been to visit her, chases after him, until she reaches the river, and step by step enters to look for him, until "in the deepest part of the Clyde water she's found sweet William in":
"You have had a cruel mother Willie,
and I have had another,
And now we'll sleep in the Clyde water
like sister and like brother."
...Which suggest that in this tale William and Margaret never married and never slept with each other either, and Margaret never became pregnant. Other than that it's very close to the Hazards of Love story, with the exception of the Rake (a typically gothic touch from the Decemberists) so I'm sure they must have been aware of this traditional tale when they wrote the album.
As for the unhappy ending....well it follows the traditional stories: lovers who would give everything to be together, and are happy to die for it if necessary. It seems to suggest somehow that they will remain together in the river - not going on to live in an afterlife but to haunt the river, or perhaps to guard it and warn future young lovers away. Perhaps this is because, unlike the William and Margaret in the Drowned Lovers tale, they did sleep together and Margaret became pregnant out of wedlock, so perhaps (in their interpretation at least) there would be no place for them in heaven?
As for geographical location, I don't think it will be a specific place - there are so many traditional British folk songs that have spread right through England, Ireland, Scotland, and sometimes into Wales (although very few were written down from Wales so it's hard to know - the Methodists made sure of that) and evolved slightly as they transfered by word-of-mouth and traveling labourers moving from one place to the other. So they were sort of non-specific, or with the names of the rivers and towns changed to fit in with the particular singers location.
Anyway, that's my two penny's worth! Thanks again for a great interpretation!
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First, "the cistern" line.
The music is decidedly dark at this point, so I highly doubt that the question is as innocent as, "when are you due?" It also spurs her to run, so I don't think it's a sweet little old nun asking when to prepare for the baby's baptism. On the other hand, cisterns are on the small side and contain drinking water, so I highly doubt anyone wants Margaret to jump in and drown herself, leaving a dead body in the water. Not cool to pollute the water that way, ya' know?.
After some thought I decided that the line implies that Margaret is expected to drown her newborn in the cistern when the time comes. Drowning a baby in a cistern, then removing it, wouldn't be as offensive as throwing yourself in. It sets up her desire to run and makes "Isn't a lovely night?" all the more poignant, as Margaret obviously wants this child and is loathe to do "the honorable thing". Coincidentally, the very thing we so despise the Rake for doing...
Second, the Rake's demise.
I see a double meaning in the line "and here come the waves" in the reprise of The Wanting Comes in Waves. I'm pretty well convinced that the ghosts of the children drive the Rake into the Annan Water. The old folk tales like this will frequently personify the river and, having been cheated out of drowning him on his first pass, they would be eager to take him to a watery grave should he be foolish enough to come close again. "The wanting comes in waves" can be seen as the river wanting the Rake and claiming its prize as he seeks to avoid the children's ghosts.
Third, the baby.
Now, "and here comes the waves" could very well have a clever double meaning. Not only the waves that come to drown the Rake, but also the waves of labor washing over our poor mistreated Margaret. "The wanting comes in waves" can easily be a metaphor for a premature labor and birth. After the trauma of her abduction, Margaret delivers her child.
Unfortunately, the child does not survive. This is clearly referenced by the line "Margaret array the rocks around the hole". In the time before expensive, carved headstones were available, graves were often filled and covered with rocks to mark the site. Margaret's grief at the loss of her child is inconsolable ("painting rings around your eyes these peppered holes so filled with crying").
Think about it. If William had arrived in time and the babe survived, wouldn't they merely run off to start a new life? Why drown yourselves and abandon your healthy child? (poetic license that completes the cycle aside, it seems silly). At no point are we informed that the Rake takes Margaret to an island. Presumably they could simply walk away from the Annan Water, never to return. However, the heartbreak over losing her child and possibly the physical damage she suffered during her ordeal and birth would make the idea of suicide appealing. After all, the loss of a much-wanted child is indeed another "hazard of love". I want to thank the person who mentioned that the line "a forest's son, a river's daughter" was an inquiry into the gender of the stillborn child. It makes sense to me.
Such a magical and amazing piece. Thanks for helping me to enjoy it all the more!!
1 criticism, 1 comment, and 1 question.
In general, I think this is an excellent interpretation, and although it differs from my original take, I think you have the right of it. However, as long as I look in the lyrics, I can find no evidence that the Rake dies, gets killed by William, or goes insane. In fact, we don't hear any more from him at all after "Margaret in Captivity". Sure, we hear his children return to try to haunt him, but we already know that even if we "expect that you think that I should be haunted", "it never really bothers" him at all. So perhaps, to add to the sadness of the entire story, it may be that Dawn, Charlotte, and Isaiah have returned in vain, and that all their tormented cries are blissfully ignored by the evil Rake. He may be the only one who gets a happy ending; a perfect ending for a tragic story - the villain escapes unscathed. As much as we'd like to see the Rake get his comeuppance, there is no support for this anywhere in the lyrics that I can find. If anyone sees any solid evidence of this, please let me know.
Comment: I didn't see anyone else comment on the possible double meaning of "waves" in the reprise. Previously, the 'wanting' William referred to was a wanting for love, for life as a man, for Margaret. And it came in waves, on and off, along with his double life as a man/fawn. But now that he knows they are doomed, and he has made his pact with the river, he welcomes death rather than the life of captivity/bondage promised by the Queen. So now the 'wanting' is death, and it comes in the waves of the raging Annan water. Hence “the wanting comes in waves.” Just a guess.
Lastly, a question. Does anyone have a notion of what William is referring to when he says, "rest my breast about her amber ring"? With all the other symbolism and archaic references in this brilliant work, it makes me doubt that this refers to a simple ring on her finger made of amber.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrAZJEMa9bk
After looking up hundreds of words in dictionary (English is not my native:( ) your work REALLY helped to find answers and to listen and enjoy the beauty of the album.
Thank you very much.
If we nixed the cyclical idea, and said that William is the Rake, why would he care about his children? he was a fawn by day, so he could just leave them behind.
Something crossed my mind and maybe it makes no sense, but well, just for the sake of it: the whole thing about Margaret troubling the water in the cistern; and later on about her being "a river's daughter". Even though the printed lyrics say otherwise, let's take it they really meant River's daughter.
It never said she had trouble crossing the river. The Rake was the one that needed help. And later on, William. If the Margaret was really born from the River, maybe troubling the water was about either her giving birth or "talking" to her origin about being pregnant (which seemed to bother those who lived with her). And coming from the River, not needing help to cross it, she could've survived in the end, but the last song implies that they both died. So maybe she went willingly.
I don't know. Maybe this is just an idealization. But I like the idea anyway.
Of a place filled with quiet streams
And the lake where her cradle was pulled from the water."
It's made clear that the Infanta was found by the water, and is not the biological child of the king and queen, but nothing more is explained about her origin.
Knowing that they've linked songs from different albums this way before (Meloy stated that 'Leslie Ann Levine' was the sequel to 'We Both Go Down Together'), I wonder if these two might also be linked?
Great explanation of the album and discussion--lots of food for thought!
My first thought that differs from most of these theories is that William and Margaret's baby was born during "Isn't it a Lovely Night?" The previous song expresses the love and happiness that they both share with each other and it seems redundant to me that they would again express these feelings in two consecutive songs... unless, of course, something wonderful and life changing occurred, such as their baby being born. If this is the case, then it follows that when the Rake kidnapped Margaret, he left the baby abandoned in the forest where William and Margaret had made their little love nest. This supports the idea of the story being cyclical; a baby abandoned in the woods seemingly destined to be "rescued" by the Queen. This also, as a response to Kya in an earlier comment, gives William and Margaret an incentive to cross Annan Water again, to try to get back to their baby. This makes sense to me from what I understand, but Kya brings up the good point that the lyrics in the last song indicate Margaret as being in a state of mourning and having already taken measures for a sort of funeral. Unfortunately, the first six lines of "Hazards of Love 4 (The Drowned)" are quite incomprehensible to me.
My second thought involves simply the location of William during "The Wanting Comes in Waves/Repaid" It seems to me that after "Isn't it a Lovely Night?" the rest of the events in the story happens in the span of one night, the last night for William to be free of the Queen before she takes him forever. The Queen catches William with Margaret and gets furious, but William bargains with her then and there because he needs to be with Margaret and the new born baby on the night of the birth. This is another reason why I think the baby is born on that night; it seemed strange to me that William would risk it all so blatantly to spend a random night with Margaret. If the baby was not in the picture, it seems more like that William would bide his time and wait for the opportune moment to run off with Margaret, instead of pleading to his mom to let him spend one night. The birth of his child, however, in addition to being caught in the act, would give William enough incentive to lie to his mother's face and plead for just one more night in exchange for a life of servitude.
Well, there it is! If you took the time to read, thank you sooo much, I really appreciate it. And thanks to the person who wrote this explanation in the first place for giving me this opportunity to share my ideas about something I've come to love.
Only one correction, when you refer to the people of Wales, it's "Welsh" and not "Welch". Welshie here! ;)
Obviously, this doesn't detract in any way from the quality of The Hazards of Love. Frankly, I think it's a bit like Shakespeare: none of his plots were original, but they were much better than the source material, though I'm personally quite fond of "The Drowned Lovers" (the Kate Rusby version).